Clayton Echard

Well, it came back positive because if we jump into the details a little bit, there's...

you know, she was testing positive.

A pregnancy test is testing for HCG.

So, you know, it's a pregnancy hormone.

So the question then became, you know, is she actually pregnant or is she manipulating HCG levels in her body?

And so, you know, we've obviously uncovered what that is now.

I guess I'll tease that.

So when people listen, we do figure out how she was able to manipulate those levels

Yeah.

So you've gotten an education in science, and this has been a whole... Well, I had to Google a lot of this, because I was trying to uncover any holes in her story, because I was so desperately wanting it to not be true.

I thought, well, maybe she did successfully trap me, but

So far, she's not giving me any concrete evidence.

And what she would send me, I would see pixelation on the images.

So it looked like things were photoshopped.

And so it was this kind of cat and mouse game of like, how do I get ahead of her and catch her in an act where I can just disprove this right now?

But because I wasn't her first victim, you know, she had experience and I didn't.

Obviously, this was my first go around in a situation like this.

I was, you know, whereas she was on.

you know number four uh at least you know where we know she was getting better yeah we know yeah so she was more skilled and she as again as in the podcast it'll show like previous victims she was learning from her own craft and not making the same mistakes so the next time around she wouldn't get caught in the same lies it's like sandra bullock in oceans eight yeah

Yeah.