Coco Kahn

You know, what you've outlined there are quite radical changes and I would argue would threaten a lot of positions of power of certain people, certain organisations. And so perhaps that would explain some of the reluctance. But before that, surely saying sorry is free. We could just do that.

You know, what you've outlined there are quite radical changes and I would argue would threaten a lot of positions of power of certain people, certain organisations. And so perhaps that would explain some of the reluctance. But before that, surely saying sorry is free. We could just do that.

I do just want to ask you, though, it must have provoked a bit of soul searching in the Labour Party, though. You know, yet to have a woman leader, you know, not doing so great on issues of race. I mean, I'm just throwing it out there. What do you think?

I do just want to ask you, though, it must have provoked a bit of soul searching in the Labour Party, though. You know, yet to have a woman leader, you know, not doing so great on issues of race. I mean, I'm just throwing it out there. What do you think?

Interesting. Absolutely. I would just add, sorry, we'll let you go, Bill. But I just, I'm very aware, you know, we're talking to you and you're in Diane Abbott's office. We're just talking.

Interesting. Absolutely. I would just add, sorry, we'll let you go, Bill. But I just, I'm very aware, you know, we're talking to you and you're in Diane Abbott's office. We're just talking.

Right, okay. Exactly.

Right, okay. Exactly.

There will be hell to pay, actually. Look, she's a titan of politics, but she's also the target of so much racist abuse, sexist abuse. And, you know, because we were just talking earlier about like how the conservatives are doing better. You could say better, whatever, quotation marks better around diversity than Labour are.

There will be hell to pay, actually. Look, she's a titan of politics, but she's also the target of so much racist abuse, sexist abuse. And, you know, because we were just talking earlier about like how the conservatives are doing better. You could say better, whatever, quotation marks better around diversity than Labour are.

But one of the things I often think about is like if you're a woman of colour in the Labour Party, you just get pilloried.

But one of the things I often think about is like if you're a woman of colour in the Labour Party, you just get pilloried.

in the press they're constantly talking about you as being not competent and then maybe it's no surprise that then the Labour leaders are like well don't put them front and centre they'll get pilloried in the press and it's like a vicious circle of like the public the press and do you know what I mean like in a way I wonder if we all need to take responsibility for our role in the public as well

in the press they're constantly talking about you as being not competent and then maybe it's no surprise that then the Labour leaders are like well don't put them front and centre they'll get pilloried in the press and it's like a vicious circle of like the public the press and do you know what I mean like in a way I wonder if we all need to take responsibility for our role in the public as well

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And then it sort of softly creates this manufactured opinion of our diverse politicians that, you know, they're not good enough. Well, they're not good enough. Whereas the Tories, they don't really get that. Anyway, rant over. No, you're absolutely right. Angry about it. We get it all the time. In journalism, we get it as well.

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And then it sort of softly creates this manufactured opinion of our diverse politicians that, you know, they're not good enough. Well, they're not good enough. Whereas the Tories, they don't really get that. Anyway, rant over. No, you're absolutely right. Angry about it. We get it all the time. In journalism, we get it as well.

If you have a POC byline, you'll just get rinsed. way more than you would if I was just John Smith. I'm just going to become John Smith, right? You heard it here first. I'm changing. I'm changing my work.

If you have a POC byline, you'll just get rinsed. way more than you would if I was just John Smith. I'm just going to become John Smith, right? You heard it here first. I'm changing. I'm changing my work.

Now, this week the government also announced a rise in student fees for next year. It'll be the first rise in eight years and it matches inflation at 3.1%.

Now, this week the government also announced a rise in student fees for next year. It'll be the first rise in eight years and it matches inflation at 3.1%.