Coco Kahn
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first heard Sep 2024
last heard 12 Jun
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And I think as well, you know, certainly a factor in why people are worried is that we still don't really know who Keir Starmer is. You know, what does he represent? What could we expect? What is Starmerism? But luckily for us, our next guest is someone who has a bit of an inkling.
Just think, the English language is a very beautiful thing. There's so many other ways to describe stuff. Wouldn't you agree, darling?
Yeah, and everyone always compares him to Malcolm Tucker. But how many Malcolm Tuckers can there be? I constantly hear this.
It's so boring.
I think as well, Morgan McSweeney occupies a particular space. We'd say the centre-right of the Labour Party. I think it's fair to say we're not on the centre-right of our own politics. Do you think that this signifies a change in what we can expect? Because also, I would say, I don't know what to expect from Keir Starmer. What is Starmerism?
That's so interesting because obviously your new book is about centrism. And I was under the impression that Keir Starmer is a centrist. Have I got that wrong?
Well, actually, yeah, let's talk about centrism. What is it?
Does that mean that centrism, because my thought about it was that it's constantly relative. It's always moving depending on what's going on. You found that not to be right. It is absolute in that it has certain principles.
Yes.
And also just to add on to that, are there like out of bounds areas? You know, you were talking about the centrism of the whole and you pick from everything to get the best of everything. It's hard to stomach that like a fascist would have good ideas. But is that central to the system of centrism?
Nothing's off limits.
Got you, got you.
I keep going back to the thing of what is it? This is still this nebulous concept. You know, James Cleverley calls himself a centrist. Okay, Starmer doesn't call himself a centrist, but as we've discussed here, probably is a centrist. Is everybody a centrist?
It just scares me when you don't know what it is. Do you know what I mean? The point of principles is that it is a barometer in which you can use it to assess things. When something is so slippery... You know, I find it unnerving in a personal way.
It's the old Goldilocks, right? Not too hot, not too cold, just right.
So can I infer from this that you're optimistic about, you know, the next four years?
Thank you. Wow, what a fascinating conversation.
Yeah, no, absolutely. And I mean... My instinct is I still don't trust it. Don't trust it. But it's been interesting to sort of hear about even just the long legacy of it and how people who would not consider themselves centrists are centrists and those who claim to be centrists don't necessarily exhibit the qualities of it.
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