Dan Buettner

So where do you think that message comes from?

I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt, I am quoting 155 dietary surveys done in places where people manifestly live the longest.

And I can tell you beans are the cornerstone of every diet.

So you have to consider the sources of the experts.

Dave Asprey, another nice guy, he's a marketer.

He's not a scientist.

Nice guy.

I agree with some of the things he says.

But with these Instagram influencers, you have to go a step deeper than what they post on their Instagram posts.

I work for National Geographic and our fact checkers occupy the corner offices.

So anyway, nice guys.

I don't want to bad mouth them.

People are free to do whatever they want.

But I can tell you that the people who actually make it into their 80s or 90s or 100s at the population level...

and don't have chronic disease are not eating much red meat at all.

We've been here before with the meat craze.

There was something called the Atkins diet when I was young, which essentially gave everybody permission to eat bacon and pork and meat, lots of meat.

Well, Atkins, the great evangelist, dropped dead at age 68 of a heart attack.

So this is a guy we're supposed to listen to.

You know, meat tastes good.