Dan Harris

It's a huge pleasure. Thanks for having me on.

It's a huge pleasure. Thanks for having me on.

I did hear that in your questions, like a real sort of resistance on your end. Like, I got the sense that you were thinking, OK, I get it. It can help people. I see the data. But like, I'm not doing this.

I did hear that in your questions, like a real sort of resistance on your end. Like, I got the sense that you were thinking, OK, I get it. It can help people. I see the data. But like, I'm not doing this.

I did hear that in your questions, like a real sort of resistance on your end. Like, I got the sense that you were thinking, OK, I get it. It can help people. I see the data. But like, I'm not doing this.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

A million percent. That's absolutely right. I try to keep the word should out of my mouth because I recognize everybody's going to go at their own pace. And bullying people into doing stuff is not going to work. I tried this with my wife when I first got interested in meditation. I was so annoying.

A million percent. That's absolutely right. I try to keep the word should out of my mouth because I recognize everybody's going to go at their own pace. And bullying people into doing stuff is not going to work. I tried this with my wife when I first got interested in meditation. I was so annoying.

A million percent. That's absolutely right. I try to keep the word should out of my mouth because I recognize everybody's going to go at their own pace. And bullying people into doing stuff is not going to work. I tried this with my wife when I first got interested in meditation. I was so annoying.

And she is still a little – although she and I are actually doing our first meditation retreat together in a couple weeks.

And she is still a little – although she and I are actually doing our first meditation retreat together in a couple weeks.

And she is still a little – although she and I are actually doing our first meditation retreat together in a couple weeks.

So it's taken her 15 years to like really embrace it because I was so pushy. And so whatever works for you is what I recommend. And if you're getting a lot out of yoga and these little moments of mindfulness, that's great. I don't think you need to put pressure on yourself to do any more. All the stuff I'm talking about is a menu, not a to do list.

So it's taken her 15 years to like really embrace it because I was so pushy. And so whatever works for you is what I recommend. And if you're getting a lot out of yoga and these little moments of mindfulness, that's great. I don't think you need to put pressure on yourself to do any more. All the stuff I'm talking about is a menu, not a to do list.

So it's taken her 15 years to like really embrace it because I was so pushy. And so whatever works for you is what I recommend. And if you're getting a lot out of yoga and these little moments of mindfulness, that's great. I don't think you need to put pressure on yourself to do any more. All the stuff I'm talking about is a menu, not a to do list.

I don't know about that. I kind of describe what we do as self-help for smart people. I'm really trying to curate it down to what is based in evidence. And then the other thing I talk about, to the extent that I'm a guru, is this little thing I say about how some people teach from the mountaintop and I teach from the fetal position. Like I'm not perfect. I'm a schmuck just like I've always been.

I don't know about that. I kind of describe what we do as self-help for smart people. I'm really trying to curate it down to what is based in evidence. And then the other thing I talk about, to the extent that I'm a guru, is this little thing I say about how some people teach from the mountaintop and I teach from the fetal position. Like I'm not perfect. I'm a schmuck just like I've always been.

I don't know about that. I kind of describe what we do as self-help for smart people. I'm really trying to curate it down to what is based in evidence. And then the other thing I talk about, to the extent that I'm a guru, is this little thing I say about how some people teach from the mountaintop and I teach from the fetal position. Like I'm not perfect. I'm a schmuck just like I've always been.