Dan Harris

So is what you're saying that our default mode is adaptive and useful and

And if we have no other option, it can turn into an unpleasant and even hellish way of being.

Let me quote you back to you.

There's a quote in the book that struck me.

The DMN, that's your shorthand for default mode network.

The DMN's mental routines evolved to help us survive long enough to reproduce, but they are agnostic when it comes to our individual well-being.

Okay, so we've established the default mode network, let's move on to another key pair of concepts.

You know, because we're gonna we're gonna stay on the definitional tip for the for the beginning of this interview before we get into the practical parts.

So as I said, we talked about the default mode network, you then talk about the difference between languishing and flourishing.

So Zendel, why don't you pick up and describe what you what are the different?

What are these two states?

And what is the difference?

What is the connection between the default mode network and languishing versus flourishing?

Okay, so Norm, I think this brings us to the central thesis of the book.

How do we move from languishing to flourishing?

How do we escape the more noxious aspects of the default mode network?

Okay, so say more about that.

What is a state of sensation?

Aren't you just describing mindfulness and meditation?

Yeah, I'm intrigued by that as well.