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Dr. Zendel Siegel and Professor Norm Farb, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having us.

Pleasure to have you.

Zendel, let me start with you since you've been on the show before.

Can you give me the origin story of how your friendship with Norm came about and how it led to this book?

His less well-compensated graduate student is now your co-author.

Got it.

But maybe more psychologically stable.

So, Norm, now that we're picking on you a little bit, what's your version of the story?

How did this come about?

Well, let's start with a foundational idea for this book you've written.

What is the default mode network?

Why do you call it the house of habit?

So Zindel, would you say our default mode is a happy place or an unhappy place?

So is what you're saying that our default mode is adaptive and useful and

And if we have no other option, it can turn into an unpleasant and even hellish way of being.

Let me quote you back to you.