Dan Shepard

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, if you're just born into it, we're at 250 years this year.

Yeah, it just is.

It's a given.

Okay, but now let's go back to what you just said, which I totally agree with, which is no one can really rise to any kind of,

prominence without attention, massive amounts of attention.

And the other thing I get critical of is just so reverse engineer that you hate this guy so much.

It's all you talk about and think about for 10 years now, this person has occupied people's brains.

And so the reward is to give them a lot of attention to secure the fact that you'll have him.

So it's also just a terrible game plan.

I mean, I think you could really make a persuasive argument that if everyone fucking ignored him from the jump, we wouldn't even be in this situation.

You think you're combating it, but I would argue you're fueling it.

The right hated him, too.

But the right gave him all the attention.

You know, it's like there wasn't anybody who wasn't dying to talk about him.

We cooperated, though.

I mean, you have to take some kind of personal responsibility.

And that game plan worked and we cooperated.

It's a very hard... I know what the outcome is.

Yeah.