Darby Saxbe

Yeah.

Then there's sort of like active parent, which is like the hands-on dad.

And so my book is mostly focused on that.

But I would say like, if you think about what is a good dad,

It is somebody who is sensitive, who's nurturing, who is protective, who looks out for the vulnerable.

Like all traits that I would actually say are qualities of a good man, like not just qualities of a good dad.

Yeah, it's a good question.

Like, are men just pretending?

To be sensitive and caring.

I know it's tricky because we send confusing reproductive signals.

I think some women are drawn to men that are really aggressive and competitive.

And those might not be the traits that actually map beautifully onto being patient with a little baby.

Mm-hmm.

But then again, we also, like, and there are all these examples from, like, fish.

Yeah.

primates, frogs, females are drawn to males that actually are taking care of offspring.

Because I think it's actually like we're smart and we know that if he's doing a good job, then that's going to increase our own reproductive odds.

Yeah.

Right?

In the book, in the dad bod chapter, I talk about how actually women like dad bods.