Dave Evans

And it feels like, hey, I'm making progress.

I'm going somewhere.

I'm not exactly sure where it is, but I'm pretty sure I'm going in the right direction.

Yeah.

You deserve it.

My wish for folks is just try something, try something really small and see if you can find that little piece of joy or that just like a pointer towards something that wakes you up.

And we know you can do it.

Yeah, we really appreciate the opportunity.

It was a great conversation.

No.

I had one motorcycle, I crashed it, and then I decided I don't have the reflexes for this thing, so I stopped.

I'll see you in the next episode.

What's that?

It's a little tiny operation inside the design program that applies the innovation principles of design thinking to the wicked problem of designing your life at and after university.

So, oh, Bill and Dave realized we've made all these products and all these different experiences using design thinking, started at Stanford back in 1963, and we used it at Apple in the early days, and everybody's kind of the thing that built Silicon Valley.

Hey, we could apply it to ourselves.

We could design ourselves as well.

You know, and that's a real problem people have.

And we gave it a try, and it seems to have worked out.

So the word design in the field of design really means there's two categories.