Dave Smith

In his words, quote, a choice the Russians do not want to have to make. So it's like, hey, there's a pretty compelling piece of evidence. Yes.

And then number two, I said Stoltenberg, I always say this name wrong, but the head of Stoltenberg, the head of NATO, he said that Vladimir Putin in late 2001 put in writing, sent a draft treaty to NATO and said, if you just put into writing that you will not bring Ukraine into NATO, I will not invade the country. This is the head of NATO. So I give him these two points, okay?

And then number two, I said Stoltenberg, I always say this name wrong, but the head of Stoltenberg, the head of NATO, he said that Vladimir Putin in late 2001 put in writing, sent a draft treaty to NATO and said, if you just put into writing that you will not bring Ukraine into NATO, I will not invade the country. This is the head of NATO. So I give him these two points, okay?

And then number two, I said Stoltenberg, I always say this name wrong, but the head of Stoltenberg, the head of NATO, he said that Vladimir Putin in late 2001 put in writing, sent a draft treaty to NATO and said, if you just put into writing that you will not bring Ukraine into NATO, I will not invade the country. This is the head of NATO. So I give him these two points, okay?

I could talk a lot more about this, but I was like, let's focus on these two. Seems to me that all the powerful people involved are admitting that this war was about Ukrainian entry into NATO. And his response was, the war was not about Ukrainian entry into NATO. It was about Vladimir Putin's desires to reconstitute the Soviet Union. And I was like, yeah, but what's the response?

I could talk a lot more about this, but I was like, let's focus on these two. Seems to me that all the powerful people involved are admitting that this war was about Ukrainian entry into NATO. And his response was, the war was not about Ukrainian entry into NATO. It was about Vladimir Putin's desires to reconstitute the Soviet Union. And I was like, yeah, but what's the response?

I could talk a lot more about this, but I was like, let's focus on these two. Seems to me that all the powerful people involved are admitting that this war was about Ukrainian entry into NATO. And his response was, the war was not about Ukrainian entry into NATO. It was about Vladimir Putin's desires to reconstitute the Soviet Union. And I was like, yeah, but what's the response?

Like, what's the response to my point? Like I made a point, you made nothing. You just made an assertion. So there was this one where it's like, once you actually get down to it, once you remove all this, like you're an expert, you're not an expert, you've never been, what are you watering? What are the, you've got no actual argument here.

Like, what's the response to my point? Like I made a point, you made nothing. You just made an assertion. So there was this one where it's like, once you actually get down to it, once you remove all this, like you're an expert, you're not an expert, you've never been, what are you watering? What are the, you've got no actual argument here.

Like, what's the response to my point? Like I made a point, you made nothing. You just made an assertion. So there was this one where it's like, once you actually get down to it, once you remove all this, like you're an expert, you're not an expert, you've never been, what are you watering? What are the, you've got no actual argument here.

Right. But even that, it's like that, again, just the way I work. that doesn't do anything for me. Then you got to have an actual argument. Otherwise you're not going to persuade me. And I think for most of the viewers.

Right. But even that, it's like that, again, just the way I work. that doesn't do anything for me. Then you got to have an actual argument. Otherwise you're not going to persuade me. And I think for most of the viewers.

Right. But even that, it's like that, again, just the way I work. that doesn't do anything for me. Then you got to have an actual argument. Otherwise you're not going to persuade me. And I think for most of the viewers.

You don't have an original thought that's actually yours.

You don't have an original thought that's actually yours.

You don't have an original thought that's actually yours.

And that's what they teach you in boarding school. Well, okay. So then the other one, which some people did pick up on this, but this to me was like actually the biggest moment of the debate, I thought. And it was sad in a way, because Douglas Murray is someone who I have some degree of respect for as a smart person. And it was kind of sad that he was reduced to this. But so he made the argument.

And that's what they teach you in boarding school. Well, okay. So then the other one, which some people did pick up on this, but this to me was like actually the biggest moment of the debate, I thought. And it was sad in a way, because Douglas Murray is someone who I have some degree of respect for as a smart person. And it was kind of sad that he was reduced to this. But so he made the argument.

And that's what they teach you in boarding school. Well, okay. So then the other one, which some people did pick up on this, but this to me was like actually the biggest moment of the debate, I thought. And it was sad in a way, because Douglas Murray is someone who I have some degree of respect for as a smart person. And it was kind of sad that he was reduced to this. But so he made the argument.

He said, first off, he was dishonest. And I didn't call him, I knew this, but I let it slide. But he goes, you know, I was very iffy about the war in Libya. And it's like, I've read your columns. At the time. No, you fucking weren't. Okay.