David McCloskey

or work within an operation that is very much involved in the trafficking of underage girls, at least not the Central Intelligence Agency nor the Mossad.

I think the risk reward, I mean, even if you put aside the ethics and morality of that, now let's just look at this from Mossad standpoint.

The risk-reward calculus is really off.

I mean, Mossad, they do conduct espionage operations in the U.S.

They sometimes...

work against Americans or try to recruit Americans, but this would just have incredibly devastating consequences, not just in the security relationship between Mossad and CIA, but up to the political level in a way that I just don't see the value at the end of the day to the Israelis.

I also think it's worth mentioning at this point, there's no facts.

Right?

I mean, there's no fact connecting Mossad to any of this, period.

Why do we need to layer on an intelligence service behind this when we know that Epstein is a sort of pedophiliac, sex addict, control freak?

I mean, right there, you have the sort of necessary and sufficient conditions for someone to maintain an audio visual surveillance apparatus in their property.

It is worth, I suppose, thinking, I mean, the risk side of it.

is very apparent.

What is the reward side?

What are you really getting?

I mean, I guess the idea in this theory would have to be that you're not just getting some secrets, right?

Or gossip, right?

That you're getting control of people, I think is where this theory goes, is that it's an effort to get control of a massive number

of business and academic and political leaders through this compromise and then exert influence.

That's right.