David McCloskey

And again, I guess it's just worth saying, again, there's just no evidence.

There's just no credible evidence we were putting this together to say, okay, the Mossad was involved in this.

Gordon, it's interesting.

In preparing for this, I actually put this question to a whole bunch of former CIA case officers.

I basically said, would Epstein, prior to that first sort of

non-prosecution agreement or that indictment, I guess, down in Florida in 2008.

Would Epstein prior to that have been an interesting target for an intelligence agency?

And I'll read some of the replies because they had a very similar flavor.

And again, this is just a sample.

Yes, he would be easy to manipulate and also clearly has no morals.

Those are the type we look for.

Next quote.

Definitely would have been a prime target.

Next quote, 100%, he has Intel on people, he has direct access to targets of interest.

Last one, hell yeah, access and info on movers and shakers.

All right, so,

There were more mixed responses in some cases, but the reluctance to kind of go all in and say, yeah, he would have been a target of interest prior to the actual indictment.

The reluctance came from two sources, one mentioning Epstein as a CIA contact, right?

Not that of another foreign intelligence service, which that would have...

sort of legal complications, potential for jurisdictional overlap with the FBI.