David McCloskey

Have I pronounced that right?

How was that?

I think it was not.

I mean, I don't speak Spanish.

Listeners to the pod will know that.

But I think that was not... You could do better.

Which is convenient.

That is convenient if you're looking for a good reason to sort of depose somebody, to perfectly align the cartel, the criminal organization with the official state apparatus.

Well, I mean, the other claim then is that this group, the Cartel of the Sons, is trafficking huge amounts of cocaine and fentanyl into the U.S.

Right.

So there's this this claim, I believe.

I don't think it's in the most recent indictment, but the language from the 2020 trial.

indictment basically alleged that Maduro was flooding, intentionally flooding the U.S.

with drugs and using drugs as a weapon.

And it was that logic that ended up with, you know, the claim that he was he was a narco terrorist.

raises the question of why the drugs are mentioned constantly by the White House and by American officials.

And I guess the reality is it's a hot button domestic issue, right?

I mean, stopping the flow of drugs and people into the US is something that gets a significant part of the American electorate animated.

And I think makes it, as we'll see, I think, spoiler alert, when you talk about oil, when you talk about the raw power politics of this, it can get confusing and kind of, it could be hard to explain.

And then when you really get down to it, it could potentially paint the U.S.