David McWilliams

So it shows you, if you're interested in this, on the issue of literature and books, Janine Cummings is coming to the Docky Book Festival.

Oh, right.

She wrote that amazing book, American Dirt.

I don't know if you've read it.

Really extraordinary about a Mexican family, a mother and daughter, and their...

journey to the United States for paying all the cartels and the violence and the extraordinary risk these people take.

Cruelty of it.

Oh God, yeah, absolutely.

So again, human smuggling, right?

And then just general extortion, John.

Basically going up

You're a commoner gardener.

You're a commoner gardener extorting money out of businesses.

Probably about $1.3 billion is extorted from like fellas with taco vans and things like that, you know?

Yeah.

And so it's endemic.

97% of all extortion by the cartels goes unreported in Mexico because people are terrified of them because they kill people in their thousands.

Oh, we've seen that.

And of course, then the general prostitution, weapons, frauds, all sorts of fronts for frauds, taxi businesses, laundrettes, all that sort of, especially, John, avocados, which is one of the great money laundering fronts of Mexico.

Really?