David Plouffe

It's like, what's the storytelling?

What's the campaign around it?

You know, are you getting money on the airwaves to tell this story?

And obviously, it's always a choice, which is most Americans don't think ICE should be the largest law enforcement agency in the country, by the way.

But they have to be told that's what's happening.

They're not following the in and outs of Washington budgeting.

I also think it's pretty common sense, which is, listen, the American people see ICE all around the country wreaking havoc.

They got plenty of money.

So say Trump wants them to have more money.

I don't want them to have more money.

They got plenty of money.

In fact, I think they have too much money, but they certainly don't need more money.

But here's what we should be investing in.

It's actually not that complicated, I think, if you frame it in that way.

So I'd have to fight.

Right.

So to me, we'll talk about the specifics, but I did this largely because I thought the spirit was more important than even the specifics.

The spirit is we're in deep trouble.

And, you know, I think for the good of the country and the world, we need sustained control of the White House and Senate for most of the next decade.

You know, you know this.