David Plouffe

We got that wrong under the Biden administration.

So it's one thing Trump's done well.

I think there's some things we could change.

We're going to have a secure border.

We're going to use technology.

We're going to make sure that continues.

But we're also now not going to terrorize our fellow citizens, not use the power of the state to terrorize fellow citizens.

We're not throwing teachers and gardeners and housekeepers who have been here for 20 or 30 years out, treating them violently.

There is an audience for that.

To me, that is probably not even a 70-30 issue.

It might be an 80-20, 85-15 issue.

So yeah, and I think part of it, Tim, is over the last 10 years, Democrats, for the most part, I don't want to...

you know, maybe paint too broad a brush.

They've been scared of this issue.

Right.

And one of the things, it's going to sound like fanboy because I work for him, but I think whether it's national security or taxes or immigration or crime, one of Obama's strengths, I think Clinton had this as well, is very comfortable talking about these supposed strengths of the Republicans and stating our case, but also going right at where they were wrong.

And I think it's really important that we get back to doing that with more consistency and more effectiveness.

I mean, listen, I think we'd be stronger positioned for the Murphy position and others if we had done some of what you talked about, which is, you know, to to to strengthen the enforcement side of the House in terms of the border, but then also be more highly critical of ICE.

You know, listen, at the end of the day, I'd probably have the fight.

But of course, you know, a fight in theory is not worth fighting.