David Plouffe

Like that image I don't think is yet sunk in for the American people.

So this is wildly unpopular.

It'll get more unpopular when people think I'm gonna pay an economic price and American soldiers are gonna go to war with their allies.

So I think you need to paint the picture of what could actually happen here in a very aggressive way.

Now, at the same time behind closed doors, you're thinking maniacally about what is an off-ramp

That could prevent the worst.

One does not seem apparent to me right now because the concessions here and the surrender all need to come from Trump.

He's the one misbehaving.

This isn't once like, OK, you throw a tantrum tantrum and somehow you kind of get half of what you want.

There is nothing here.

We already have security arrangements with Denmark.

We obviously already have a great relationship.

You know, Trump talks about Iron Dome.

I don't even think he really understands what he's talking about there.

Is there an elegant off ramp?

I don't know if there is one.

But rhetorically, I'd like to see European leaders begin to paint a picture of if Trump doesn't stop this, this is where this is headed.

And I think that domestically here in the U.S.

will get people's attention even more than it already is.

Maybe, you know, I'm not currently working with anyone who would probably be, you know, at that level with Trump to be influential in terms of relationship.