David Plouffe

And that's really frightening.

Beyond just what's happening in the moment in Minnesota, scary as that is, that's where they would like us to head.

Whether it be the courts, whether it be the voters, whether it be journalists, whether it be political opponents, they do not want to be questioned.

They don't want to be questioned.

And that's really scary.

So, you know, at the end of the day, we've seen dramatic changes in people's views of ICE around immigration.

I think you and I probably have the same view of this in the long term, which is Democrats should be supportive, as Barack Obama was, as many Democrats were in prior times.

We need a secure border.

We need good enforcement.

But once you've attested to that, you have the ability then to go to the other side of the picture where Trump is obviously very weak, where people think that this kind of enforcement is way beyond the bounds of what we want as Americans.

We should be welcoming of people here who are contributing to communities.

who are paying taxes.

We need to have a pathway towards legalization.

So to me, this opens up the ability to have some of these discussions.

But when you see Minnesota, the J.D.

Vance's of the world, the Donald Trump's of the world, certainly the gnomes and homens of the world, they want to lean into this.

They want the fight.

I mean, they're calling an American citizen, a mother who was just exercising her constitutional right, a terrorist.

And so that will continue to happen.

Who they killed.