David Yelland

And that is what's happening here, isn't it?

And the macarons is really just another route to market for her.

Yeah.

I agree with you.

I know what you mean, which is basically the way it's chopped up effectively and stuck out there.

But there are a lot of people listening to this in the PR world and the media that don't understand it.

So just explain how she does that.

Yeah.

I mean, we're talking here, folks, about someone in Candice Owens who has a major influence on what millions of people think about, certainly the president, but very important things at the moment.

So this is not an inconsequential person.

Yes, she is.

Yeah, yeah.

I couldn't agree more.

And again, that is a core thing in the tabloid world.

Many, many times when, you know, Rupert Murdoch and people around, we've got to make people laugh.

We've got to get them, use humour to get them.

If you listen to Steve Bannon's podcast, which I do quite a lot, he's very humorous.

And what happens is you come into his world and, you know, I don't agree, I don't think, with a single thing that he stands for.

But I'll tell you what, Anoushka, after five or six minutes, I'm starting to think, you know...

Well, you know, maybe there's a point there and it's the same sometimes with some of the stuff that Candice says.