Dermot Gallagher

Did he see it?

He will obviously say no.

And then the FA can proceed if they want to.

I think on review it's a penalty, Katie.

I think when you see it first off, it's a very difficult decision to make.

And John can't see it because he's on the wrong side of Caballeros.

His hand shields him.

I think the easy thing is when you see it, as we've seen on TV, you say, yeah, it's a penalty.

But a tough call at the time, I think.

He has, but I think the other thing, Thierry, is when you look across, the assistant's focus is sometimes on the offside.

He's trying to make that second-rearmost defender.

When he looks across, that decision happens so quickly.

You're looking at distance.

You're looking this way.

And when you see it like that, there's Caballero come out.

The second-rearmost defender is no longer the goalkeeper, so he's got to be aware of that.

And he's looking at slightly different things to what the referee is.

And I think that clouds his judgment a little bit.

But his first priority is offside.

So when you see the players cross, the keeper's come out.