Dermot Gallagher

So he's then got the problem.

He's got to look across and see where's the second-rear-most defender, which isn't the goalkeeper.

So that's his first point of contact.

When he's looked across, the incident may already have happened.

VAR, Katie.

Big talking point at the moment.

I think the VAR would have looked at that, said to John, as soon as the ball's gone out of play, the next stoppage was actually a foul by Duffy on Batsuwai.

And the VAR could have said then, look, we've had a look at that, we think it's a clear and obvious error, and therefore you're well entitled to go back and give a penalty.

And I think the pitchers would have reinforced that and everybody would have been happy.

Second.

Sorry.

Say again, Kelly, please.

Oh, the second penalty for me is not a foul at all.

The two players, you know, both running for the ball.

Batshuayi's got his back to the player.

He doesn't see him.

And they become tangled.

The legs tangle.

And if you watch, the leg of the forward actually comes up into Batshuayi himself.

So for me, it's just a natural coming together in a game.