Dermot Gallagher

And the referee quite rightly says play on and gives a goal kick as the ball goes out of play.

Well, I think the problem there, Jamie, is that it's a subjective decision.

I don't think it's a penalty.

I don't think many, many referees would give a penalty there.

I respect your opinion, but the fact remains that if that went to VAR, I am convinced 100% that he would say the referee is absolutely correct on the field.

I think there is, David.

I think when you see the incident that Bellerin... The clue is the ball, and Bellerin doesn't get the ball.

And I think once you don't get the ball in that situation, he's caught Hazard on the inside of the boot.

Do you think he exaggerates a contact, Dermot?

Well, I don't think he has time, actually, because if you see here...

He hasn't got time to do anything.

He's caught the inside of his boot.

He's only got one foot on the ground.

His other leg is in the air.

And he's trying to keep his balance.

And the minute he's done that, I think he's going to go over.

There's no doubt about it.

But the clue for me is he doesn't get the ball.

And I think once he doesn't get the ball, the referee is duty bound to give a penalty.

Well, it's so subjective, David.