Devlin

Do you want the phone to ring?

Do you want to have played two games or 10 games or 20 games for Scotland?

Or do you want to have played one or two tests for the All Blacks?

And I'm not sure that sometimes the decisions they make in their 20s, they've got to live with those decisions.

And you know, what your beliefs at 10 years of age are very different to your beliefs at 20.

Your beliefs in your 20s, I look back on my 20s with a lot of embarrassment now that I'm in my 50s with some of the sort of decisions I made and some of the ways maybe I conducted myself.

So look, you're always going to have players that are going to head off overseas.

We can't do much about that.

And you've just got to look for the next guy coming through.

I've always been a believer in that.

I think as long as you're playing in the same competition, look, sometimes people just want freshness.

They just want a different environment.

They just want to hear a different voice, live in a different climate, have a bit more of a rugby experience.

Now, Australia, much different to New Zealand.

Well, climate-wise, it potentially is, but I think it would be great for the competition.

You know, it is frustrating that tribes...

When, say, a lot of the super rugby sides are at full strength and you look at the bench and you, man, think that bench is incredible.

And then you look at other sides and you go, boy, they're struggling to put out a starting 15.

And, you know, I think actually spreading that talent around or at least allowing players to decide to go and play somewhere else is not a bad thing.

And look, if they can get a better deal and make a little bit more money playing for the Reds or playing for the Western Force, so be it.