Dr. Catherine DeVries

And fertility medicine wasn't what it is now. I mean, I know residents and fellows who are women who are freezing their eggs because they want to have children sooner or later. They may not have a partner, they may want to get through their training, and they want to know that it's a possibility in the future. For us, it seemed like you either had them before or hoped it all worked out later.

And fertility medicine wasn't what it is now. I mean, I know residents and fellows who are women who are freezing their eggs because they want to have children sooner or later. They may not have a partner, they may want to get through their training, and they want to know that it's a possibility in the future. For us, it seemed like you either had them before or hoped it all worked out later.

So we decided, my chairman at the time, Dr. Stamey, made it quite clear. In fact, he asked me during the interview whether I intended to have children, and I had to make it clear that no, I did not.

So we decided, my chairman at the time, Dr. Stamey, made it quite clear. In fact, he asked me during the interview whether I intended to have children, and I had to make it clear that no, I did not.

So we decided, my chairman at the time, Dr. Stamey, made it quite clear. In fact, he asked me during the interview whether I intended to have children, and I had to make it clear that no, I did not.

Yes. But then, you know, the next woman to come along in the residency, Martha Terrace, did have kids during her residency. And by that time, Dr. Stamey had actually changed his tune on that. And he really celebrated having kids. So, you know, even... Some of the old guys and chairman changed their opinions about it. But when I was coming through, it definitely wasn't a thing.

Yes. But then, you know, the next woman to come along in the residency, Martha Terrace, did have kids during her residency. And by that time, Dr. Stamey had actually changed his tune on that. And he really celebrated having kids. So, you know, even... Some of the old guys and chairman changed their opinions about it. But when I was coming through, it definitely wasn't a thing.

Yes. But then, you know, the next woman to come along in the residency, Martha Terrace, did have kids during her residency. And by that time, Dr. Stamey had actually changed his tune on that. And he really celebrated having kids. So, you know, even... Some of the old guys and chairman changed their opinions about it. But when I was coming through, it definitely wasn't a thing.

And so when my male co-residents' kids got sick and if they took a day off, you know, they were heroes for doing this. This was really a wonderful thing that they'd go home and help their wives. But if my kids got sick, well, I should have thought about that before I got into surgery in the first place. and made provisions. So that was the double standard. It was not easy.

And so when my male co-residents' kids got sick and if they took a day off, you know, they were heroes for doing this. This was really a wonderful thing that they'd go home and help their wives. But if my kids got sick, well, I should have thought about that before I got into surgery in the first place. and made provisions. So that was the double standard. It was not easy.

And so when my male co-residents' kids got sick and if they took a day off, you know, they were heroes for doing this. This was really a wonderful thing that they'd go home and help their wives. But if my kids got sick, well, I should have thought about that before I got into surgery in the first place. and made provisions. So that was the double standard. It was not easy.

And my kids would have attested to that. But then when I was chief resident, then my husband, Dana, died. So everything changed.

And my kids would have attested to that. But then when I was chief resident, then my husband, Dana, died. So everything changed.

And my kids would have attested to that. But then when I was chief resident, then my husband, Dana, died. So everything changed.

Yeah, you know, I wasn't quite sure. what I wanted to do at that point. But I did have a job at Kaiser. And Kaiser was really a very good place to work at that time. I at least had control of the hours. So that was a very good thing. I would know when I was working and when I'd be off. That was a novelty. So now even more important as a single mother, right? Yes, that was a good thing.

Yeah, you know, I wasn't quite sure. what I wanted to do at that point. But I did have a job at Kaiser. And Kaiser was really a very good place to work at that time. I at least had control of the hours. So that was a very good thing. I would know when I was working and when I'd be off. That was a novelty. So now even more important as a single mother, right? Yes, that was a good thing.

Yeah, you know, I wasn't quite sure. what I wanted to do at that point. But I did have a job at Kaiser. And Kaiser was really a very good place to work at that time. I at least had control of the hours. So that was a very good thing. I would know when I was working and when I'd be off. That was a novelty. So now even more important as a single mother, right? Yes, that was a good thing.

You know, I could drive the kids to school sometimes. You know, that was a whole new experience for me. And the other thing about it that was good about Kaiser was that there was no cherry picking of cases. So I got everything my partners got in terms of oncology, women's pelvic floor, pediatric urology, we got the full spectrum.

You know, I could drive the kids to school sometimes. You know, that was a whole new experience for me. And the other thing about it that was good about Kaiser was that there was no cherry picking of cases. So I got everything my partners got in terms of oncology, women's pelvic floor, pediatric urology, we got the full spectrum.

You know, I could drive the kids to school sometimes. You know, that was a whole new experience for me. And the other thing about it that was good about Kaiser was that there was no cherry picking of cases. So I got everything my partners got in terms of oncology, women's pelvic floor, pediatric urology, we got the full spectrum.