Dr. Chloe Carmichael

Now, I'm not saying he should have done that, but the idea that the stabber, you know, was acquitted over this, I do think it's this, you know, kind of black and white reactionary thing.

And that does create a void where, you know, certain kind of crazy voices can step in to fill the space.

Yeah, totally.

I mean, if you just think about it, you know, we're, we're pair bonders, right?

I mean, especially when you look at a cultural context where it's our cultural norm.

And so when people are stepping outside of that, I think it usually signifies either that they have, you know, a very, um,

strong and unusual, you know, type of sexuality, which is, you know, obviously going to be something for them to, you know, work out in their relationship or that on a psychological level that they're acting something out, that there's more to it than, you know, just the sex.

And so, yeah, I think when we glorify and reify those types of relationships and

There's a reason behind it.

And what really getting back to the psychology training programs too, like what really gets me, Naomi was talking about this when we were on Tim Pool.

I mean, you go to a psych program these days, you're going to be watching kink videos.

You're going to be told to be LGBTQIA2 spirit plus affirmed.

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But nobody's gonna say, you know, by the way, like religious people, you know, let's talk about their interest in abstinence and what are some of the benefits of that.

Like nobody's ever gonna talk about that at a psychology program.

I mean, not even a matter of like giving it equal time, they'll actually pathologize it.

They'll say, well, he was from a conservative evangelical household, so very repressive sexuality, right?

So, you know, it's to your point, Drew, it's just, it's really convoluted when we start mixing in, you know, big academia and big advertising and all this, you know, with government, we're trying to break down the family.

I mean, we could go on all night.

Yeah, thanks.