Dr. Christof (Christoph) Koch

Qualia, that's all woo-woo.

That's, you know, trying to gaslight us.

In fact, part of the major part of the Anglo-American philosophy establishment is trying to gaslight us into believing conscience.

You're just confused about it.

Regular people are just confused about it.

It doesn't really exist.

There isn't any such thing as the quality of pain.

There's behavioral disposition.

There's that you chew pain.

You avoid chewing on the other side, you know, if you have a toothache.

But that badness, the badness, this god-awfulness of a toothache, that doesn't really exist.

You're just confused about it.

So they try to cancel consciousness, but that hasn't succeeded.

Here we are in 2025, and people still worry about how does consciousness fit into the scientific world that has been spectacularly successful at describing the material world.

I don't doubt that for one second.

Like you, I'm still a scientist.

I practice science every day.

But there's always been this uneasy relationship between consciousness and sort of classical, I mean, well, not so called classical, and let's say physics and the allied sciences.

Because all the allied sciences, like physics, chemistry, biology, none of them talk about consciousness.

Right.