Dr. Ciara Kelly

It was the first time I realised how ubiquitous it was and that some people didn't even think there was another way.

That lo-fi way.

had something good about it.

And it was a softer approach as in it was more, it was a gentler approach.

It was less sort of consumerist as in, will I take you?

You know what I mean?

I'd say a lot of people come off those apps bruised though.

I know lots of people who would like to be in a relationship

who are single, who have been on the apps but are no longer on the apps because they say it's just, it's too bruising, it's too hard.

And people's little hearts.

I mean, we talk about relationships in a very modern way.

It's all about sex and connection.

People have little hearts that get hurt and get bruised and feel sad.

You do feel, you can feel at least if it's constant.

And I'm not suggesting for a moment that people don't sometimes want just to hook up and have sex because of course they do, as you say.

And that's men and women have that desire.

But sometimes when you are repeatedly meeting people and you kind of go, are we going to see each other afterwards?

And the answer is repeatedly no.

You do start feeling a little bit diminished and rejected.

She said, I just... What a cowardly fucker.