Dr. Corinne Low

Exactly.

And I think like a moment for me was it was like if you just list a lot of the things that we outsource and we outsource guiltlessly, they tend to be male coded tasks.

Right.

It's OK to call the plumber.

It's OK to call the mechanic.

But paying somebody to get your groceries, paying somebody to do your laundry, paying someone to organize your house, now you're kind of like this bougie, out of touch monster, right?

And I think in that way, you talked about how men's time is the same as it was in the 1970s.

There's a mindset where we're still stuck in the 1970s.

where we haven't gotten used to the fact that our time has equal value now outside the household, the same way that men's time has value outside the household.

And that's why your husband might say, look, it's going to cost me this much to hire somebody, but it's going to take me so long to do it.

Even though I can do it, it doesn't make sense for me to do it, right?

And so I kind of want everyone to think of themselves, like if you were hiring yourself as a freelancer,

Right?

Would you hire yourself for this task?

And so, you know, Instacart, like I actually had to do the math in this because I was like someone who's also resistant to Instacart.

And then I was like, what's the premium that I actually pay to do Instacart?

And it's like to do Instacart versus to go get the groceries myself, okay, for like let's say about $100 in groceries, okay?

The premium that I pay is like $17, okay?

Right.

And so the fact that I was devaluing my time so much, I want us to reframe not outsourcing as hiring yourself for a task and just ask, are you hiring yourself for too many jobs?