Dr. Joseph Fraiman

often there are situations where it can't be determined with 100% certainty.

And you basically, you say, this is one of the causes, and then you rule out that it couldn't be any of the other causes.

I would presume for these 10, that given based on the letter and the discussion of myocarditis,

that these particular autopsy reports they're referring to were likely children who had confirmed myocarditis on autopsy, probably within a certain proximity of the timing of the death of the vaccine.

And they couldn't find any alternative cause probably of the myocarditis.

That's the most likely way that these would be done.

And I know that Tracy Beth Hogue and Vinay Prasad had been working on this.

And as they report, it's an ongoing investigation into these cases to determine these causes of death.

And I know that they're...

very disciplined on this and they most likely have done a very good job in analyzing all of these data they had 97 or 96 deaths that they were reviewing and these are the 10 that they felt were that where they felt that there was probably no other likely cause and

that the only likely situation is that it was the vaccine.

And if you think about it with 10 of those, there's very, very few myocarditis deaths in general in the country, probably in double digits, it would be my estimate.

There's not a very good estimate of how often they occur, but when you think about how many of those would even just occur by random chance in the days after the vaccine,

the likelihood of it being just random, it's quite unlikely.

Yeah, I would hope so.

I mean, when we compare this to how COVID deaths are determined for this entire time, the counting board of COVID deaths where you had COVID within 30 days or so of the death and it was counted as a COVID death.

So the standard for how we're calculating, how we're determining the causes of death here is not equal, right?

and and but i hope that you know i think that benaiah and tracy here on this particular project probably have identified cases that are going to be uh quite convincing would be my guess but i i actually think that when you just the the autopsy cases they bring attention to the problem but the real problem here is not

we the problem is brought up in the letter and that he says very clearly he asks the question did the covid vaccine in these in children cause more death than it prevented and he answered this by saying we honestly cannot know we don't know the answer to that and here we now have these likely deaths that were caused by the vaccine

And we have no ability to determine if the vaccine has caused more harm or or benefit in children.