Dr. Richard Hogan

Well, there's a bit of deception in there.

If I'm having a conversation with someone that's...

Because I think we all, I just think that the performative part of being a human being, there's always a bit of flirting and things.

I think, anyway, well, most of us.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

I think you're flirting with people and you're just chatting with people and you're showing your best side.

Flirting.

You're out there, you're performing.

Charming.

Yeah, but that's kind of like being a human being and being out there and being social and all the rest of it.

But I think if you're sending messages to people that you don't want your partner to read, you're probably down the avenue of deception.

Well, I think there is, though.

Which is worse?

I think the physical cheating is worse.

I think the damage of the physical cheating is probably, in my clinic, clinically working, I'd say the damage of an emotional thing, because people often say, well, women have affairs because it's all rubbish.

You know, men have affairs because they're just driven by testosterone.

Women have affairs because they like sex, too.

You know what I mean?

God almighty, imagine saying that.