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Dr. Roel Konijnendijk

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849 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

That's 222 when the battle of Selassie happens, when essentially the Spartans provoke the Macedonians and the Macedonians come down to meet them.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

You never want this to happen.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

But at that point, they've been defeated several times by the Macedonians by that point.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

They've defeated in the Crimean-Idean war and

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And in fact, I mean, Pyrrhus of Epirus besieged a spot at one point.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

They have to save it, save victory from the jaws of defeat there as well.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So they are constantly taking a battering by everyone who now matters in the Hellenistic world, but they just never give up.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

They're always trying again and trying again.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

This is a story that's reported only in Plutarch in the fantastically irrelevant little treatise on brevity.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Specifically, the topic of the treatise is to say a lot in a few words.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

He gives this famous example where Philip supposedly sent them an ultimatum saying, if I come into your lands, I will destroy you utterly.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

to which the Spartans reply, just if.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And then Philip marches into their territory and destroys it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

There's always this impression that people have that this is a moment of Sparta boldly asserting, go on, try it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

One of those molon lave moments, one of those come and get them moments.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

But the problem is, of course, the world has changed.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

If somebody dares at that point to try and attack Sparta, they'll probably win because the Spartans don't have the kind of power that they used to.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

They don't have the kind of

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Military superiority, they don't have the allies, they don't have the numbers.