Dr. Sarah Berry

So many people get their information from one source. Many people trust one source. And... You're right that as academics, we're rarely given a platform.

So many people get their information from one source. Many people trust one source. And... You're right that as academics, we're rarely given a platform.

And this is what I valued most actually about what I've done at ZOE. Well, being able to do the kind of trials that we're doing, but being able to have a platform, not just for me, but for us to invite other credible scientists onto the ZOE podcast or for me to come onto this kind of podcast. We're not trained as academics how to communicate. We're trained how to communicate.

And this is what I valued most actually about what I've done at ZOE. Well, being able to do the kind of trials that we're doing, but being able to have a platform, not just for me, but for us to invite other credible scientists onto the ZOE podcast or for me to come onto this kind of podcast. We're not trained as academics how to communicate. We're trained how to communicate.

you know, run good studies in my case, you know, run clinical trials, interpret the evidence, evaluate the evidence, critique the evidence. And, you know, I'm self-taught to present the evidence to other academics, but we're not taught to communicate it to the general public. So for me, it's been a journey working at Zoe of trying to communicate really complex stuff.

you know, run good studies in my case, you know, run clinical trials, interpret the evidence, evaluate the evidence, critique the evidence. And, you know, I'm self-taught to present the evidence to other academics, but we're not taught to communicate it to the general public. So for me, it's been a journey working at Zoe of trying to communicate really complex stuff.

Like I would have loved to have spent an hour telling you about the biochemical pathway of why... seed oils don't impact inflammation. But I know that really you're not interested, the listeners aren't interested, but I'm hoping that by informing them that I've done these studies and that these are the results, there's trust that actually what we found is true.

Like I would have loved to have spent an hour telling you about the biochemical pathway of why... seed oils don't impact inflammation. But I know that really you're not interested, the listeners aren't interested, but I'm hoping that by informing them that I've done these studies and that these are the results, there's trust that actually what we found is true.

But we're the smallest voice out there. The research active scientists, partly because of time, I'm still in running trials now,

But we're the smallest voice out there. The research active scientists, partly because of time, I'm still in running trials now,

running uh you know different interventions but also i think many of the big platforms aren't giving us the opportunity necessarily because we haven't got the most exciting things to say because at the end of the day you know we'll present the evidence we'll present it with caveats we'll present it with caution but

running uh you know different interventions but also i think many of the big platforms aren't giving us the opportunity necessarily because we haven't got the most exciting things to say because at the end of the day you know we'll present the evidence we'll present it with caveats we'll present it with caution but

And, you know, I will always say on, as I would to students I'm teaching, what I'm telling you now is based on what the evidence shows now. In 10 years time, I might be totally wrong. All of these trials showing seed holes are fine. I might be wrong in 10 years time. I mean, I doubt it. I doubt it. Because there's enough research. But as scientists, that's something else, you know.

And, you know, I will always say on, as I would to students I'm teaching, what I'm telling you now is based on what the evidence shows now. In 10 years time, I might be totally wrong. All of these trials showing seed holes are fine. I might be wrong in 10 years time. I mean, I doubt it. I doubt it. Because there's enough research. But as scientists, that's something else, you know.

we we always caveat with and i think sometimes that's difficult for the general public maybe i mean i might be doing a disservice i don't know that you have the non-active site or non-active influencers science influencers i don't know what you call them that speak with such certainty now i will if it's my study so i'll talk with certainty over the seed or study because i've done them i've been there in the lab analyzing it

we we always caveat with and i think sometimes that's difficult for the general public maybe i mean i might be doing a disservice i don't know that you have the non-active site or non-active influencers science influencers i don't know what you call them that speak with such certainty now i will if it's my study so i'll talk with certainty over the seed or study because i've done them i've been there in the lab analyzing it

Or I'll speak with certainty over snacking data because I've, you know, sweated blood and tears over, you know, running the stats, etc. But I won't talk with certainty about anything else that I haven't done myself. And yet you have other people talk with such certainty. And I think that's what instills confidence in maybe listeners. And that's why they get more viewers.

Or I'll speak with certainty over snacking data because I've, you know, sweated blood and tears over, you know, running the stats, etc. But I won't talk with certainty about anything else that I haven't done myself. And yet you have other people talk with such certainty. And I think that's what instills confidence in maybe listeners. And that's why they get more viewers.

Yep. So there's lots of neutral bollocks around dairy, and it's related to the neutral bollocks also around saturated fat. So as a whole, we know saturated fat is bad for us. Dairy contributes to most of the saturated fat intake in the UK. So therefore, we could say all dairy is bad for us. But no, dairy is a diverse food group.

Yep. So there's lots of neutral bollocks around dairy, and it's related to the neutral bollocks also around saturated fat. So as a whole, we know saturated fat is bad for us. Dairy contributes to most of the saturated fat intake in the UK. So therefore, we could say all dairy is bad for us. But no, dairy is a diverse food group.