Drew Hernandez

I don't I don't buy it.

Vance would.

And I have to say, by the way, I wasn't suggesting he won't be the nominee or the next president because that has been my certainty.

I'm just saying that my certainty is a little less certain nowadays.

I'm sorry, go ahead.

Just what Matt was saying.

I agree with this.

I think, you know, the embassy is a big deal.

And think about having

Donald Trump's policies without Donald Trump, you know, the Trumpian of Trump that people don't like.

A lot of people don't like his brashness and his big mouth and all that stuff.

And if you if we thought we could get MAGA without Trump, I think a lot of people would turn.

You should talk to your guest, Klobicki.

I don't think the looks-maxing, meth-addicted 19-year-old is representative of the American voter.

I certainly hope not.

This is why I disagree, though, and it gets to my point on Newsom, is I think it was so smart of the VP to lean into the goofy meme, and the reason I think it was so smart is

You want to be underestimated so that the reality can surpass expectations.

So even down to the physicality, the fact that the meme is he's like this big fat guy, but then you see him, he's not a big fat guy.

He's actually a pretty thin, relatively thin guy.

The meme is that he's kind of like short.