Drew Hernandez

He's actually very tall.

The meme is that he's kind of dumb.

He's extremely intelligent.

So I think all of those things play really well, even to the point ideologically, some people tried to pin him down on he's an isolationist or he's this or he's that, but he's defended the administration's actions in Iran, in Venezuela, quite vociferously.

And so I don't know, to me, if I were in this position, I would not want the memes to be making me out to be the really cool guy.

Frankly, you even saw this with Trump in 2015, 2016.

All the memery was that he was like a big dumb idiot.

And I think to be underestimated actually puts you in a better position.

That's right.

But see, this is the thing.

I mean, as you pointed out, Ben, Trump's policies eliminate Trump.

His policies are fairly middle of the road.

I mean, I think some things he's more right and some things he's more left, but he's not a radical in any shape or form.

It's just that our politics has been so radicalized that he sometimes looks like it.

And I can't help feeling that you could pick up the Trump MAGA and present it in a somewhat more statesmanlike way.

And, you know, I always feel that what the people are asking for is normalcy.

They're asking to kind of get back to the way we're supposed to be.

And I could see Vance selling that really easily.

You know, I don't see why he can't do that.

He was just running on Obama's third term, basically, in strange circumstances.