Drew Hernandez

He's also always thinking about China.

He's always setting us up to fight the Cold War with China.

I mean, everything he does.

You know, when you look at Venezuela, the Chinese ran for their lives.

They were like a lot of running Chinese after they took Maduro out of there.

They were setting up shop in Venezuela.

And now, not so much.

Now they're sort of thinking, well, maybe we can use this as an excuse to go into Taiwan, which eventually they'll do.

But they're not in Venezuela anymore.

And I think Trump is thinking about that all the time.

I think if you explain everything he does in terms of shopping.

The other issue, I see your point, Ben, that I agree with it, that MAGA is what Trump says it is.

But I think where I disagree is I think that Trump actually has a pretty coherent policy vision, though it's often called incoherent or capricious.

And you see this especially with foreign policy.

Like, what does America first mean?

I was just debating some guys on this the other day on the Piers Morgan show.

And there's some people who insist America first means conservative or libertarian isolationism.

I don't think that's what Trump ever meant.

Some people that say the alternative is a liberal internationalism, whether we're talking about, I don't know, like George W. Bush or something, spread liberalism and democracy overseas.

How do you have an ideological heir without an ideology?