Drew Hernandez

I don't think the looks-maxing, meth-addicted 19-year-old is representative of the American voter.

I certainly hope not.

This is why I disagree, though, and it gets to my point on Newsom, is I think it was so smart of the VP to lean into the goofy meme, and the reason I think it was so smart is

You want to be underestimated so that the reality can surpass expectations.

So even down to the physicality, the fact that the meme is he's like this big fat guy, but then you see him, he's not a big fat guy.

He's actually a pretty thin, relatively thin guy.

The meme is that he's kind of like short.

He's actually very tall.

The meme is that he's kind of dumb.

He's extremely intelligent.

So I think all of those things play really well, even to the point ideologically, some people tried to pin him down on he's an isolationist or he's this or he's that, but he's defended the administration's actions in Iran, in Venezuela, quite vociferously.

And so I don't know, to me, if I were in this position, I would not want the memes to be making me out to be the really cool guy.

Frankly, you even saw this with Trump in 2015, 2016.

All the memery was that he was like a big dumb idiot.

And I think to be underestimated actually puts you in a better position.

That's right.

But see, this is the thing.

I mean, as you pointed out, Ben, Trump's policies eliminate Trump.

His policies are fairly middle of the road.

I mean, I think some things he's more right and some things he's more left, but he's not a radical in any shape or form.