Drew Hernandez

It's just that our politics has been so radicalized that he sometimes looks like it.

And I can't help feeling that you could pick up the Trump MAGA and present it in a somewhat more statesmanlike way.

And, you know, I always feel that what the people are asking for is normalcy.

They're asking to kind of get back to the way we're supposed to be.

And I could see Vance selling that really easily.

You know, I don't see why he can't do that.

He was just running on Obama's third term, basically, in strange circumstances.

He's also always thinking about China.

He's always setting us up to fight the Cold War with China.

I mean, everything he does.

You know, when you look at Venezuela, the Chinese ran for their lives.

They were like a lot of running Chinese after they took Maduro out of there.

They were setting up shop in Venezuela.

And now, not so much.

Now they're sort of thinking, well, maybe we can use this as an excuse to go into Taiwan, which eventually they'll do.

But they're not in Venezuela anymore.

And I think Trump is thinking about that all the time.

I think if you explain everything he does in terms of shopping.

The other issue, I see your point, Ben, that I agree with it, that MAGA is what Trump says it is.

But I think where I disagree is I think that Trump actually has a pretty coherent policy vision, though it's often called incoherent or capricious.