Drew Hernandez

Chappelle.

You know, I'll hear him say, like, it was really the black people who freed themselves.

And you think, like, no, it wasn't.

It was white soldiers.

fight.

It was people from Maine and Vermont coming down and fighting for

for liberation.

It was not black people who freed themselves.

You know, there's a sense of shame that goes with this.

There's a sense of shame.

You know, when I was growing up, I think Jews had a sense of shame that stemmed out of the Holocaust.

You know, why didn't you fight back?

Why didn't you stop them?

Which is a complete, obviously a complete false understanding of what happened in that country and what it was like to live through it.

But people feel these things and they affect the way you see the place that you're living.

And I think that's basically what Knowles is saying.

And feelings, you know,

I hate to break this to you, Ben, but feelings matter.

The way people feel affects their lives.

And so when you see things like, when you hear the word pride, you immediately know you're dealing with shame.