Drew Hernandez

And you see this especially with foreign policy.

Like, what does America first mean?

I was just debating some guys on this the other day on the Piers Morgan show.

And there's some people who insist America first means conservative or libertarian isolationism.

I don't think that's what Trump ever meant.

Some people that say the alternative is a liberal internationalism, whether we're talking about, I don't know, like George W. Bush or something, spread liberalism and democracy overseas.

How do you have an ideological heir without an ideology?

It's a good point, Ben.

Am I the only one who listens to the MAGA people talk and think, thank God, somebody's finally talking about America's benefits again?

I think Trump's is this third option, which is a conservative imperialism.

Yeah, of course.

I think he's been consistent about it.

Who hears that?

Like these guys come out and they say, you know, we want this to be good for America because that's who we work for.

He ran in the first term on destroying ISIS.

That obviously doesn't mean you're just going to only focus within your borders.

I think it was Rubio who said that.

And I thought, thank you.

But when he does intervene, it seems to be in this way that's a little bit more restrained.

You know what I mean?