Dunc

That's right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, I just like to do new stuff.

But the point that I was trying to make is there is something exciting about the unknown or like being able to up sticks and go.

When we moved back to the mountains, I was like, yes, this is exciting.

And I was like, I'm gone.

And hilarious too.

Everyone's like, oh, well, it must have been a pretty straight run in.

You got rebuffed on going to broadcasting school.

Two or three times.

And then endless applications for jobs out of broadcasting school.

And then easily, in the shortest, I mean, not in the shortest amount of time, but easily one of the most consummate broadcasters that New Zealand's produced over nearly a 20-year period now.

It wasn't about the money.

No, and that's where I reckon that there's, and this isn't a casting and aspersion across all people.

of a new generation.

But everyone turns up here and they go, oh, well, my career isn't ready.

No, you don't have a career.

You've got a fucking job.

And you can't say that you've got a career until you've built a body of work and you've got some associates which would vouch for you that would say that you're a great person.

You've moved around.

You've done that job in a few different places.