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Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

But I meant to use that example to illustrate that it's possible to go superhuman to superhuman plus plus to superhuman plus plus plus plus.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And I'm curious if you think those gradations will continue to happen by just making the method simpler.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Or because we'll have the capability of these millions of minds who can then add complexity as needed, that will continue to be a false path even when you have billions of AI researchers or trillions of AI researchers.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Yeah, for sure.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It's interesting that both quant firms and AI labs have a culture of secrecy because both of them are operating in incredibly competitive markets and their success rests on protecting their IP.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

If you're an AI researcher or engineer and you're deciding where to work, most of the quant firms or AI labs that you'll be considering will be strongly siloing their teams to minimize the risk of leaks.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Hudson River Trading takes the opposite approach.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Their teams openly share their trading strategies, and their strategy code lives in a shared monorepo.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

At HRT, if you're a researcher and you have a good idea, your contribution will be broadly deployed across all relevant strategies.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

This gives your work a ton of leverage.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

You'll also learn incredibly fast.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

You can learn about other people's research and ask questions, and you can see how everything fits together end-to-end, from the low-level execution of trades to the high-level predictive models.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

HRT is hiring.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

If you want to learn more, go to HudsonRiverTrading.com slash Dwarkash.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

All right, back to Richard.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I guess this brings us to the topic of AI succession.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

You have a perspective that's quite different from a lot of people that I've interviewed and maybe a lot of people generally.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So I also think it's a very interesting perspective.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I want to hear about it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Yeah, I agree with all four of those arguments and the implication.