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Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And I also agree that succession contains a wide variety of possible futures.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So curious to get more thoughts on that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It's interesting to consider if we were just designing another generation of humans.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Yes.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

He designs the wrong word, but we knew a future generation of humans was going to come up.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And forget about AI.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

We just know in the long run, humanity will be more capable and maybe more numerous, maybe more intelligent.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

How do we feel about that?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I do think there's potential worlds with future humans that we would be quite concerned about.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

That's what you're saying?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Something like that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I'm basically taking the example you're giving of like, okay, even if you consider them part of humanity, I don't think that necessarily means that we should feel super comfortable.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Like Nazis were humans, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

If we thought like, oh, the future generation will be Nazis, I think we'd be quite concerned about just handing off humanity.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

power to them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So I agree that this is not super dissimilar to worrying about more capable future humans.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

But I don't think that that addresses a lot of the concerns people might have about this level of power being attained this fast with entities we don't fully understand.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Yeah, I guess there's different varieties of change.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

The Industrial Revolution was change.