Ed Helms

And it doesn't take as much momentum as people might think, right?

And you're saying victories meaning like states building. States changing laws. Like one, two, three, four, five, six states starting to change these laws. Right.

And you're saying victories meaning like states building. States changing laws. Like one, two, three, four, five, six states starting to change these laws. Right.

Yeah, right. Because people I think people think it's so overwhelming to just like change a massive federal law. And that does feel overwhelming and almost incomprehensible. Like, how do you do that? But it does start small. You can start with these state initiatives and and then it really is a domino kind of momentum thing.

Yeah, right. Because people I think people think it's so overwhelming to just like change a massive federal law. And that does feel overwhelming and almost incomprehensible. Like, how do you do that? But it does start small. You can start with these state initiatives and and then it really is a domino kind of momentum thing.

And it's cool to sort of see that track through history with some of these major cultural moments. prohibition, marriage equality, and so forth. When people are advocating for the American government to work better, that is part of a really remarkable legacy of work that goes back really to the founding of the country.

And it's cool to sort of see that track through history with some of these major cultural moments. prohibition, marriage equality, and so forth. When people are advocating for the American government to work better, that is part of a really remarkable legacy of work that goes back really to the founding of the country.

Ever since we got this country going, there's been an ongoing effort to just make it work better. Can you speak... More to that legacy broadly and what it's really looked like over the last 200 years.

Ever since we got this country going, there's been an ongoing effort to just make it work better. Can you speak... More to that legacy broadly and what it's really looked like over the last 200 years.

We've already talked about more perfect. Let's just make it more perfect. Like we're getting there. It's always going to be more like we always have to be making adjustments, trimming the sails. And we've sort of talked about it.

We've already talked about more perfect. Let's just make it more perfect. Like we're getting there. It's always going to be more like we always have to be making adjustments, trimming the sails. And we've sort of talked about it.

More perfect. We'll get there. What would you say to our listeners out there right now, anyone who might be feeling like a little disenchanted or like, what can I do? How can I be part of this process? All of this sounds great, but it's a little out of reach for me and I'm just depressed. Like, what would you say to connect to that person?

More perfect. We'll get there. What would you say to our listeners out there right now, anyone who might be feeling like a little disenchanted or like, what can I do? How can I be part of this process? All of this sounds great, but it's a little out of reach for me and I'm just depressed. Like, what would you say to connect to that person?

Isn't that the state where no politicians had to disclose gifts that they got from lobbyists or citizens?

Isn't that the state where no politicians had to disclose gifts that they got from lobbyists or citizens?

That sounds good. Well, Josh. Some movements are built in the modern era. There you go. You just clone people. Yeah. Thanks so much for coming on, Snafu. I really, really appreciate it. And I think our listeners will, too. Just hearing a lot of your insight and point of view on this stuff. This is a show about history's greatest screw ups.

That sounds good. Well, Josh. Some movements are built in the modern era. There you go. You just clone people. Yeah. Thanks so much for coming on, Snafu. I really, really appreciate it. And I think our listeners will, too. Just hearing a lot of your insight and point of view on this stuff. This is a show about history's greatest screw ups.

And I just want to thank you for trying to make our country a little less screwed up.

And I just want to thank you for trying to make our country a little less screwed up.

So thanks.