Ed Husain

We should also remember that his brother, Mohammed Qutb, then begs the Saudis for...

And they, being generous Arabians in the Gulf, if you visited, you'll see the hospitality, the warmth, the kindness of the people that take him in.

And his thank you to them is to help create Osama bin Laden.

So as a teacher, sorry, again, now as a professor at a university, and I'm guilty of this too, he radicalizes an entire generation of Saudis.

So from Milestones to his younger brother, Mohammed Qasub, goes to Saudi Arabia, and he physically teaches Osama bin Laden

in the university in Jeddah and a whole cohort of young Saudis who are mostly Salafis, mostly focused on their own salvation and upkeeping rituals and are politicized from this Egyptian bug that comes out of Sayyid Qutb.

So the book you reference is really important, Constantine, because it gets exported into Saudi Arabia and through Egypt and Saudi Arabia around the rest of the Muslim world.

Excellent question.

It resonates because this organized minority of 5 million, again being generous, are able to message to a disorganized, disparate, decentralized Muslim world because we don't have a Pope.

We have much more kind of

live and let live, much more individualistic, to point to our concerns and say, here's a problem, here's the solution.

So the Muslim Brotherhood is renowned for saying, al-Islam huwa al-hal, which is Islam is the solution.

Again, in a thousand plus years of Muslim history, no one said Islam was the solution.

Islam with a small I always means a state of mind.

It's supposed to encourage peace and submission to God rather than

being a solution for a problem.

Very few problems have solutions.

It's supposed to be healing.

So they've created this new slogan that Islam is the solution.

And then so you pick a problem, Francis.