Ed Husain

But what happened, and you're absolutely right, it's suicidal because these guys didn't just stick around in Edgware Road.

They went out onto campuses and started radicalizing and recruiting a new generation of British born and raised Muslims.

And now we're on generation three.

Whereas the intelligence agencies thought that they would be just nice local assets they could use to bully the Emiratis, bully the Saudis, bully the Jordanians, bully the Kuwaitis, bully the Bahrainis.

But now this beast is out of control, exactly as those countries have told us that they've seen this movie before.

You start with charity and schools and mosques and it becomes a suicide mission.

And that's what's happened.

7-7 was a direct outcome of that, that these guys then think, guess what?

We're going to, you know,

We are going to now take hostage the British government and its foreign policy.

We're now going to take hostage Keir Starmer and his foreign policy in relation to Iran and what we're seeing play out in the Middle East.

So what the British government and intelligence agencies thought was an asset against Arab governments and disregarded our government's advice has now turned on the British government itself.

When was the last time you met the average British civil servant?

No disrespect intended, but these are simple folk.

They come out of the shires.

They want to have a respectable life.

They pursue what's called lines of least resistance, where there's no controversy.

They don't go into government to be accused of being racist, Islamophobic.

So what we're discussing, I like to think we're all free people in a free country, freely exploring ideas.

They can't have this conversation.