Eleanor Gordon Smith

He'd had a question.

He was speaking at a conference.

Would it be okay if he showed those people the tapes?

Nicole remembered Corwin.

She remembered that he'd been nice to her as a kid.

She said, yeah, he could use them.

But could she see those tapes too?

He agreed and recorded their meeting.

Seventeen-year-old Nicole says she can't remember whether her mom really did hurt her.

And then Colwyn brings up the allegation of sex abuse.

17-year-old Nicole's whole demeanour changes at this moment.

It's instant and kind of strange to watch.

She becomes completely still and she's staring into middle distance.

So it's like you're watching it from outside of yourself, from above.

Even before she saw the tapes, Nicole at 17 felt she'd got the certainty she wanted.

She remembered her mother actually hurting her.

She watched the videos of herself as a small girl anyway.

Corwin shut off the recorder while she did.

And this remarkable thing happened.

Nicole saw herself as a young girl, describing the very same abuse, almost verbatim.