Elliot Williams

But we got to make some effort to get them back to their own home.

Just think about the intentional saber rattling cruelty.

that it is to take someone who's, say, from Jamaica or Mexico or whatever else and put them on the plane to sub-Saharan Africa where they don't speak the language and don't have family ties or anything like that.

That's all about toughness and fear and not about actually solving some of the political and policy differences that we have in the country.

Of all the ICE things, and I say this as a former ICE person, of all the ICE things that...

Cosmic, you know, but where I think it's even more acute and you talked about it in the lead up there, it's with Congress.

And let me explain.

And let's use my personal example as somebody that worked at ICE with a Democratic and Republican Congresses, right?

Both times-

We had tremendous pressure from Congress over the actions the agency was taking and doing.

Democrats did not like when ICE would go into workplaces like a meatpacking plant or whatever and just start rounding people up.

And the policy very early on in the Obama administration shifted because of pressure from Democrats in Congress.

Congress said, we don't like what you're doing.

It's not who we are.

It's not what we're paying you to do.

And you got to stop that kind of activity.

Right.

Great.

We were Democratic appointees.

Democratic Congress held us accountable.