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Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

Because we were making very slow progress with carbon fiber, I was like, okay, we've got to try something else.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

Now, for the Falcon 9, the primary airframe is made of aluminum lithium, which is a very, very good strength to weight.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

And actually, it has about the same, maybe better strength to weight for its application than carbon fiber.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

But aluminum and lithium is very difficult to work with.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

In order to weld it, you have to do something called friction-stow welding, where you join the metal without it entering the liquid phase.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

So it's kind of wild that you could do that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

But with this particular type of welding, you can do that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

But it's very difficult to like say, let's say you want to make a modification or attach something to aluminum and lithium.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

You now have to use mechanical attachment with seals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

You can't weld it on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

So I want to avoid using aluminum and lithium for the primary structure for Starship.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

And there was this very special grade of carbon fiber that had very good mass properties.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

So with rockets, you're really trying to maximize the percentage of the rocket that is propellant, minimize the mass, obviously.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

But like I said, we were making very slow progress.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

And I said, at this rate, we're never going to get to Mars.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

So we better think of something else.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

I didn't want to use aluminum and lithium because of the difficulty of friction-steer welding, especially doing that at scale.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

It was hard enough at 3.6 meters in diameter, let alone at 9 meters or above.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

Then...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

I said, well, what about steel?