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Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

Now, I had a clue here because some of the early US rockets had used very thin steel.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

The Atlas rockets had used a steel balloon tank.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

So it's not like steel had never been used before.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

It actually had been used.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

And when you look at the material properties of stainless steel, especially if it's been like full-hardened stainless steel at cryogenic temperature, the strength weight is actually similar to carbon fiber.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

So, if you look at material properties at room temperature, it looks like the steel is going to be twice as heavy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

But if you look at the material properties at cryogenic temperature of full hot steel stainless, of particular grades, then you actually get to a similar strength weight as carbon fiber.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

And in the case of Starship, both the fuel and the oxidizer are cryogenic.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

For Falcon 9, the fuel is rocket-propelled grade kerosene, basically like a very pure form of jet fuel.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

But that is roughly room temperature, although we do actually chill it slightly below.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

We chill it like a beer.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

We do chill it, but it's not cryogenic.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

In fact, if we made it cryogenic, it would just turn to wax.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

But for Sasha, it's liquid methane and liquid oxygen.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

They are liquid at similar temperatures.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

So basically, almost the entire primary structure is at cryogenic temperature.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

So then you've got a 300-series stainless that's strain-hardened.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

Because it's at almost all things at cryogenic temperature, it actually has a similar strength to weight as carbon fiber, but costs 50 times less than raw material and is very easy to work with.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

You can weld stainless steel outdoors.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Elon Musk - "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”

You could smoke a cigar while welding stainless steel.