Emily Maitlis

This is what we're going to do as a country.

He'll be on his way out.

He's surely got to be on his way out before then and a new leader in place.

I agree with you.

But, you know, look... I mean, that's the Sanchez, that's the Spanish model, right?

Sorry, but it's not our top priority.

And 10 years ago, that argument would have had

force and validity that the generals all they want is increased spending they want more kit they want more officers they want more this they want more that that has always been the complaint about the mod we have had the invasion of ukraine by russia we have seen the threat that that poses and we've also seen donald trump in the white house utterly ambivalent about nato and article 5 and that does present huge logistical difficulties

Because it's not just British defence manufacturers.

We used to buy most of our kit from America.

That was the big place where we bought stuff from.

You know, you look at the Trident nuclear missiles, they're run by America.

We don't have autonomous control over Trident, even though we spend billions and billions each year.

It's all American kit.

Well, if we're not going to be yoked to America for our defence, then we need to start changing it.

And so, therefore, I think the defence portfolio undoubtedly...

you know just the facts on the ground have changed it and made it more important that the defense of the nation is vital and so when john healy someone like that goes i don't think he was it was a case of institutional capture i think it was something that he was responding to the changing events in the world which i think that broadly speaking has cross-party agreement from you know from i totally agree i don't i mean you know he just his his resignation has fielded lots of very um

It's so interesting, isn't it?

Because we just have no idea.

I mean, the one thing we know